updated 2022 March 11th
I became a Christian in 2005. I was Trinitarian as I was taught this is who God is. In 2011 I became a Oneness Pentecostal. This blog is about my personal journey in coming to view the godhead differently. Before we get started, I do want to clarify that I am not here to argue or attack. I know there are debates out there on this topic and people dedicated to trying to disprove each other. That’s not how I do things. I’m going to share why my views changed. If you are also Oneness, you are welcome here. If you are Trinitarian, you are welcome here. We have the same God. We simply have different perspectives on how he can be the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
What is the Trinity?
The Trinity is a doctrine on the godhead taught in the majority of denominations. It holds that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 distinct persons in one godhead. A 3-leaf clover is often used as an example. Each person is fully God. It’s also described as 3 distinct persons in 1 divine essence. Though it is difficult to grasp, Trinitarians accept this as a mystery to be embraced as none of us can fully comprehend the greatness of God.
What is the Oneness doctrine?
Oneness believes that God is one. He is the Father and the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God reveals himself in different modes. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are his titles. For an earthly example, a man is a son and husband and father yet it is the same man who fills all those roles. Oneness Pentecostals take the bible at its word that God is one. They reject the doctrine of the Trinity because it is not found in the bible.
Alright. Now that we’ve got the basics out of the way, let’s dive in.
I was atheist.
I became Christian.
I was taught the Trinity to explain who God is. I was not educated on other doctrines. I was also taught that most Christians consider any churches who are not Trinitarian to not be real Christians. I never really bought into the idea that non-Trinitarians weren’t Christian, but I was leery.
I didn’t question that. I never felt like the Trinity made sense, but I accepted it as something divine my human limitations couldn’t wrap my head around.
In 2011 I started going to an Apostolic Pentecostal church. When I found out they weren’t Trinitarian, I became cautious. That made me hesitate. However, you can’t be in their church services and think these people aren’t Christian. The way they worship? The way they pray? The miracles I see? The healings? The presence of the Holy Ghost? The move of God in the church and in their lives? No, you absolutely could not convince me that they didn’t know God.
I learned more about their views on the godhead in a bible study and in Sunday school. I had never questioned the Trinity. I had also never realized it was not mentioned in the bible. Nor did I realize that the bible says nothing about God being triune or 3 in 1 or “God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit”. When I noticed that is when I started to question. As I searched for answers, I found that the Trinity seemed to me to be logical. It was logical in the sense that the 3 persons in 1 godhead was the way to make sense of things. “Man’s logic is not God’s logic” is a reoccurring thought I had. One of the big things for me that led to my doubt was finding out the doctrine of the Trinity became accepted in 381AD at the First Council of Constantinople.
The apostles didn't teach it. The early church didn't teach it. Jesus didn't teach it. The bible does not use the word Trinity nor does it say anything about "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" with a triune teaching. The Trinity is using man's logic to explain how God can be in 3 roles. It is not in scripture nor is it a direct interpretation of scripture. Coming to that revelation and studying the bible verses on the godhead was sufficient for me to stop following the Trinitarian view.
At that point, I wasn’t Trinitarian anymore but I also didn’t want to immediately jump on the Oneness wagon without studying more. This was something that I thought over with much prayer and bible study. I’d like to share here the bible verses that spoke to me.
God . . .
A couple other verses to consider:
How can God be the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?
God is omnipresent. He is everywhere all the time. He can be in numerous places at once; he can be in heaven and in spirit form and in bodily form all at the same time. He is that powerful. He is that big. He has no limits. He is not restricted the way that mankind is. He is able to manifest himself in multiple ways. He is not divided or weakened. He is one.
A man can be a couple's child, a woman's husband, and a child's father all at the same time. One man can be in those 3 roles without being divided. Surely God can be in 3 roles without division or restriction.
God said in his word that he is one. I believe it. I believe that God is One. Jesus is God. This is what I follow.
I have enjoyed this! I myself am a oneness Apostolic pentecostal who use to be trinitarian. The strange part is that, i was actuly raised in a oneness church from the time i was born. But i never knew the church i went to was Oneness..lol But when i discovered the truth i was amazed, exxited and mind blown! Ive been fully oneness for 4 years now and was a trinitarian for 7 years..(16-23) was baptized in Jesus ne at age 21 and 2years later converted my belief in doctrine at age 23. And till this day, ive made a promise toy heavenly Father, Jesus Christ that ill nwver return to the trinity! Thank you for your story!
The bible itself old and new testament details that there is really a father co existence with the son as verses that follows proverbs 8.22to30,proverbs 30.4.and in the new testament Jesus himself mention that He is came and sent by the father as a matter of fact john 14..Jesus said trust in God and trust also in me. John 16...explains that Jesus is came from God and send by the father as what the 12 discple understood after He speak not in a view of figurative statement about the father and Jesus.. And clearly admit that He came not of his own but to the father. The onness insist that there is no father only Jesus while the scripture detailed that a father is exist with the son Jesus.
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Glory and Honor and all Praises to the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ well explained brethren God bless you'll
I am drawn to Apostolic Churches because of it’s practice and teaching of holiness (a lot of Churches are comprised) however, I can’t wrap my head around Mark 1:9-11 as it relates to the Oneness doctrine.
This video explains your question quite well: https://youtu.be/CU0P3awcikw. It is with Dr. David K. Bernard, who has a Doctorate in Theology from South Africa University.
I believe both doctrine has points I do not know the answer but I do believe in holy ghost filled and that we must be truly saved and repent and surrender daily to Jesus to build are relationship.
First I would like to say I was born and raised catholic but I can't say I eve felt God or what I thought was God. In addition I heard thing taught and saw a lot of it not being followed.
Its shameful to me that Christians actually BATTLE one another over such a ridiculous topic as the Trinity.
You are very ignorant then my friend because scripture makes it clear that belief in Jesus as God is a requirement for salvation or else you go to hell:
I am goin thru situation now I've been a beleiver in Jesus as savior for 20 years or so but was always shown how God reveals himself as trinity but almost 2 years ago I was homeless I met a guy who said he was Christian and I told him I was believe r but he asked me if I ever was baptized I said yes a couple times he asked under what name I told him father son holy spirit but he explained acts 2 38 formula invited me to a bible study at a pentecostals church in jonesboro I went he eventually helps me off street I was rebaptized in Jesus name but introduced me to the oneness doctrine never heard it till then I've been goin for long while I started sharing gospel videos from there but I could never come to truly accept that oneness doctrine I've had lots convicted when I started sharing messages there I see both sides oneness but I also see trinity view my freind try in convince me it's only oneness but I still see in many verses both sides but I see more verses that support triune view than the other one I told my freind it's not opinion im look in for truth and I know only truth sets us free I beleive 100 percent Jesus is God manifested in flesh as son of God I accepted his salvation but now I'm struggling try in accept this oneness doctrine maybe u can help me in this area cause it's been troubling me
I believe the trinity is viewed how it is for humans to understand it ... I was trinitarian, but always felt they were one...until I found an Apostolic Church and they believe what I felt... Here's how I describe it... God the father is one you can look at as a father, he leads you, guides you, teaches you, tells you what to do, etc ... The son Jesus , came down in flesh ,self sacrificing, to show us he can be human like us, and still be holy, die for our sins , for us to understand his love and humbleness... Then the holy ghost is how we can physically feel him with us... So essentially it's like I am the father, I am the son made flesh and I am the holy ghost, feel me... It was made to be understood by humans ..cuz let's be honest...most humans aren't very bright... But we do comprehend we have a mother and father that teaches us, corrects us etc, we know what a son is , and being human, and we can feel spiritual wise... And know what "ghosts" are... So it lets us know hey you can feel me ...I'm like what you know a ghost is ... Even if you can't see me... So it's broken down to the simplest terms for all humans to comprehend... But here's an idea for you to think of... If God says thou shalt not have no other gods before me....do you really think there would be 3 separate distinct gods? ...no because that would be contradictory...he wouldn't want us worshipping 3 separate beings ...he is one ...
WOW! I was a baptist who believed in the trinity as well. I was always taught to avoid pentecostals because they had bad theology. I was excelling in my gifts and in my doctrine to the point that I was preaching every friday night to the youth at the bapstist church. I was also a guest speaker at many events. I preached my first sermon when I was 19 years old to the whole congregation one sunday morning in the baptist church because of my knowledge of the word. But I looked in depth to this Oneness doctrine and a light went off. It is like the more I learn the crazier I become about God. I study doctrine and read the word every single day no joke. So at 21 years old me and my wife both got re-baptized in Jesus name and we both have the Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues. I am going through a battle right now that gets very discouraging. Every pastor or brother I ever built a relationship with in the trinitarian community is challenging me and trying to re convert me and debunk the doctrine. I am standing tall and only letting the word of God speak for itself. They can not answer many things I present. Just like you I find it harder to debate Oneness than I do to debate trinity. God bless you and thank you for your testimony!!!
Hello my name is Ryan Poole I Was a trinity for a long time I left the churchs to be with Jews an was in the process of conversion to join the Jewish community the jews belive in one G-d Deut 6:4 I prayed long and hard in tears wondering were should I go and christ led me to a apostolic oneness pentecostal church. What I love is I'm no longer starving emotionally and spiritually I'm closer to christ then I ever was in my life I found your article because it's been breaking my heart to see how much church gate us the trinity is not even A salvation issue I dont understand it may the Lord bless you
Just simply powerful. I am an apostolic and trust me when i say this has been a huge stumbling block for many people. I always encourage those struggling to Read the Word of God prayerfully. Jesus is not far from us and if we seek him diligently he will reveal himself.
I am another person who was trinitarian, until 1999, when the Spirit of God ripped that out of me and I immediately understood the basics of oneness. Of course I studied it also. I am totally convinced of its truth in explaining who God is. This is a great discussion on the subject.
What is the name? God's name is Jesus. He is the fullness of the deity in bodily form. (Colossians 2:9. John 5:43, John 14:7, 26). We baptize in the name of Jesus because that is obeying this command in Matthew 28:19 as demonstrated each time the disciples baptized someone (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:12-17, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-7).
John 1:1-2 Explicitly said that the Word was with God eternally.
Wrong interpretion of verse and ideology, the gospel you are preaching here is not Biblical. Pray God should open your mind to understand Trinity
So, who died on the cross: the Father or the Son? Who's wrath was poured out on whom: Jesus the Father or Jesus the Son? This is one fallacy of the Oneness dogma doctrine of the Oneness Apostolic teachings. Further more, really educate your readers about the convoluted view of Jesus being the "flesh suit" that the Father was in. That's another fallacy of Oneness teaching. Scripture doesn't say Oneness Pentecostalism either so this point is mute when it was mentioned that the bible doesn't mention Trinitarianism.Both Oneness Pentecostals & Trinitarians have doctrinal problems. The whole entire Westernized American Christianity w/its thousand upon thousands of denominations is nothing more than the traditions of men & babbel (confusion).
I love this discussion:) I was born again in 2018… Gods will not mine- saved from the occult new age world
I was Catholic, so trinitarian. Then i became Christian and went to a trinitarian congregation. When i discovered a oneness pentecostal church, i could not believe how God could speak to me through the sermons that way and how seeking the Holy Spirit was the most important thing in our walk with God. I was baptized in Jesus name and saw the power behind calling on the name of Jesus. I left that church, however, because of the oneness pentecostal external holiness standards. They are not biblical. And after so much preaching on it (by the pastor) and studying the truth behind those standards (by me), it makes me question the oneness theology. I could use some help in that regard. Thank you.
Hey, Isabella. I'm sorry to hear your pastor was so extreme on it. Standards have always been an obstacle for me as well. Too be honest, they are never preached in my area. My church is welcoming of people who do not follow the traditional standards. I hope you can find an Apostolic church in your area that is welcoming too. No one should be turned away for differing on such matters that are largely personal conviction anyway. Don't give up on the core doctrines because of the extremism. I promise not all Apostolic churches are like that.
My mother is apostolic Pentecostal. She believes if I wasn’t baptized in Jesus name I’m not saved, also that if I don’t have evidence of speaking in tongues I’m not saved, and also says that Apostolic Pentecostals are the only ones with the truth and only ones going to heaven. That is absolutely absurd. She also believes there is only one. So explain 1 John 5:7
The word Omnipresent is not in the Word either, but we know God is. Trinity, means the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the three in one. They make up the God Head. PS 110:1 "The Lord said unto m Lord Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thing enemies thy foot stool." Jesus quoted this in the NT. He was saying God said unto Jesus because Jesus is the one who sits on the right hand of the Father. The Son, Jesus, after God has puts His enemies under under His footstool, the Bible says, then Jesus will turn all things back over to the Father. 1st Corinthians 15. starting in vs 24. "Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered p the kingdom to God, even the Father, when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25. For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet. 28. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, the shall the Son aslo himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. And also why did David say in PS. And the Lord said unto my Lord. This means God said unto Jesus. It's also in the NT., when Jesus was responding to the Religious leaders.
Check out the title of Psalm 139. It mentions the omnipresence and omniscience of God. Oh how much i love the Lord!
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