I'm a Oneness Pentecostal who used to be Trinitarian

11/12/2015

updated 2022 March 11th

I became a Christian in 2005. I was Trinitarian as I was taught this is who God is. In 2011 I became a Oneness Pentecostal. This blog is about my personal journey in coming to view the godhead differently. Before we get started, I do want to clarify that I am not here to argue or attack. I know there are debates out there on this topic and people dedicated to trying to disprove each other. That’s not how I do things. I’m going to share why my views changed. If you are also Oneness, you are welcome here. If you are Trinitarian, you are welcome here. We have the same God. We simply have different perspectives on how he can be the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

What is the Trinity?
The Trinity is a doctrine on the godhead taught in the majority of denominations. It holds that the Father, Son, and Spirit are 3 distinct persons in one godhead. A 3-leaf clover is often used as an example. Each person is fully God. It’s also described as 3 distinct persons in 1 divine essence. Though it is difficult to grasp, Trinitarians accept this as a mystery to be embraced as none of us can fully comprehend the greatness of God.

What is the Oneness doctrine?
Oneness believes that God is one. He is the Father and the Son Jesus and the Holy Spirit. God reveals himself in different modes. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are his titles. For an earthly example, a man is a son and husband and father yet it is the same man who fills all those roles. Oneness Pentecostals take the bible at its word that God is one. They reject the doctrine of the Trinity because it is not found in the bible.

Alright. Now that we’ve got the basics out of the way, let’s dive in.

I was atheist.

I became Christian.

I was taught the Trinity to explain who God is. I was not educated on other doctrines. I was also taught that most Christians consider any churches who are not Trinitarian to not be real Christians. I never really bought into the idea that non-Trinitarians weren’t Christian, but I was leery.

I didn’t question that. I never felt like the Trinity made sense, but I accepted it as something divine my human limitations couldn’t wrap my head around.

In 2011 I started going to an Apostolic Pentecostal church. When I found out they weren’t Trinitarian, I became cautious. That made me hesitate. However, you can’t be in their church services and think these people aren’t Christian. The way they worship? The way they pray? The miracles I see? The healings? The presence of the Holy Ghost? The move of God in the church and in their lives? No, you absolutely could not convince me that they didn’t know God.

I learned more about their views on the godhead in a bible study and in Sunday school. I had never questioned the Trinity. I had also never realized it was not mentioned in the bible. Nor did I realize that the bible says nothing about God being triune or 3 in 1 or “God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit”. When I noticed that is when I started to question. As I searched for answers, I found that the Trinity seemed to me to be logical. It was logical in the sense that the 3 persons in 1 godhead was the way to make sense of things. “Man’s logic is not God’s logic” is a reoccurring thought I had. One of the big things for me that led to my doubt was finding out the doctrine of the Trinity became accepted in 381AD at the First Council of Constantinople.

The apostles didn't teach it. The early church didn't teach it. Jesus didn't teach it. The bible does not use the word Trinity nor does it say anything about "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit" with a triune teaching. The Trinity is using man's logic to explain how God can be in 3 roles. It is not in scripture nor is it a direct interpretation of scripture. Coming to that revelation and studying the bible verses on the godhead was sufficient for me to stop following the Trinitarian view.

At that point, I wasn’t Trinitarian anymore but I also didn’t want to immediately jump on the Oneness wagon without studying more. This was something that I thought over with much prayer and bible study. I’d like to share here the bible verses that spoke to me.

Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
Isaiah 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
Mark 12:28-34 One of the scribes came up and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, “What commandment is the foremost of all?” Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘Hear, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord is one; and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” And the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher; You have truly stated that He is One, and there is no other besides Him; and to love Him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is much more than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.” When Jesus saw that he had answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And then, no one dared any longer to question Him.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Colossians 2:9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
Colossians 1:15-20 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
2 Corinthians 4:4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
1 Timothy 3:16 By common confession, great is the mystery of godliness: He who was revealed in the flesh, Was vindicated in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Proclaimed among the nations, Believed on in the world, Taken up in glory
1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
Hebrews 1:3 And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
James 2:19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

(All scripture taken from the New American Standard Bible)

God . . .

The prince of peace, the eternal father, the king

revealed in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16)

the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15, 2 Corinthians 4:4)
an exact representation of His nature (Hebrews 1:3)
radiance of His glory (Hebrews 1:3)
the fullness of the Deity in bodily form (Colossians 2:9)

I see one God in the bible.
Jesus

A couple other verses to consider:

Jesus says he has come in his Father's name (John 5:43)
John 14:7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen him.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

How can God be the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit?
God is omnipresent. He is everywhere all the time. He can be in numerous places at once; he can be in heaven and in spirit form and in bodily form all at the same time. He is that powerful. He is that big. He has no limits. He is not restricted the way that mankind is. He is able to manifest himself in multiple ways. He is not divided or weakened. He is one.

A man can be a couple's child, a woman's husband, and a child's father all at the same time. One man can be in those 3 roles without being divided. Surely God can be in 3 roles without division or restriction.

God said in his word that he is one. I believe it. I believe that God is One. Jesus is God. This is what I follow.

40 Comments

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Keyonma Robinson

8/7/2019 23:50:24

I have enjoyed this! I myself am a oneness Apostolic pentecostal who use to be trinitarian. The strange part is that, i was actuly raised in a oneness church from the time i was born. But i never knew the church i went to was Oneness..lol But when i discovered the truth i was amazed, exxited and mind blown! Ive been fully oneness for 4 years now and was a trinitarian for 7 years..(16-23) was baptized in Jesus ne at age 21 and 2years later converted my belief in doctrine at age 23. And till this day, ive made a promise toy heavenly Father, Jesus Christ that ill nwver return to the trinity! Thank you for your story!

Mondel cabague

6/12/2021 06:13:41

The bible itself old and new testament details that there is really a father co existence with the son as verses that follows proverbs 8.22to30,proverbs 30.4.and in the new testament Jesus himself mention that He is came and sent by the father as a matter of fact john 14..Jesus said trust in God and trust also in me. John 16...explains that Jesus is came from God and send by the father as what the 12 discple understood after He speak not in a view of figurative statement about the father and Jesus.. And clearly admit that He came not of his own but to the father. The onness insist that there is no father only Jesus while the scripture detailed that a father is exist with the son Jesus.

Javier zuñiga jr

11/10/2022 01:17:53

Glory and Honor and all Praises to the great God and Saviour Jesus Christ well explained brethren God bless you'll

Just a Man link

26/5/2021 23:53:30

I am drawn to Apostolic Churches because of it’s practice and teaching of holiness (a lot of Churches are comprised) however, I can’t wrap my head around Mark 1:9-11 as it relates to the Oneness doctrine.

Mark 1:9-11 KJV
[9] And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan. [10] And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him: [11] And there came a voice from heaven, saying, Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

You’d have to infer a lot to interpret this scripture as one God operating in 3 different modes.

If Jesus was with John, while seeing a dove (in the form of the Holy Spirit) descending from heaven and also hearing a voice saying saying to Jesus “my beloved son in whom I am well pleased”.

Was this Jesus speaking to himself from heaven while descending upon himself as the Holy Spirit in the form of a dove or three distinct members interacting at the same time?

Ultimately, I believe truly saved and Holy Ghost filled Oneness and Trinitarian believers will see God, I don’t think either view is heresy, but I’m just a believer not a theologian or preacher. I love Jesus Christ and have brought my life under his subjection. I just want to go to heaven.

Jackson Turner

18/10/2021 10:39:49

This video explains your question quite well: https://youtu.be/CU0P3awcikw. It is with Dr. David K. Bernard, who has a Doctorate in Theology from South Africa University.

Shannon Murdock link

15/4/2022 05:52:39

I believe both doctrine has points I do not know the answer but I do believe in holy ghost filled and that we must be truly saved and repent and surrender daily to Jesus to build are relationship.

Stephen Jurss

29/3/2023 12:38:49

First I would like to say I was born and raised catholic but I can't say I eve felt God or what I thought was God. In addition I heard thing taught and saw a lot of it not being followed.

Anyway I believe that "oneness" is a revelation from God. Now that said studying is the route most often used by God to reveal this. Let me give you some scripture that may help explain this.

Matt 28:19 KJV Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Act 2:38 KJV Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Now we know that the Word of God is inerrant. Which way is correct? There seems to be a contradiction here? Well Jesus said I come in my fathers name (John 5:43). The book of Acts has a number of instances where people were baptized and in each case (Act 10: 44-48, 8:16, 4:12). Since this is where the church started it gives a lot of credence to Jesus name baptism. If Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Ghost are all one then there is no contradiction between Matt 28:18 and Acts 2:38. God just gave us more information in Acts.

Billy link

1/8/2023 19:17:56

That was well said and amen!

John Alexander link

8/6/2021 16:56:02

Its shameful to me that Christians actually BATTLE one another over such a ridiculous topic as the Trinity.
With so many other pressing issues that the church is confronted with in a rapidly changing world you'd think our house would be cleaned up enough not to put thee doctrinal stumbling blocks in front of so many central american migrants seeking Jesus.
The growing harvest of ex Muslims seeking Jesus who are already suspicious of the trinity and other complicated issues yet here we Christians stand divides as ever.

Each denomination claiming unity in the body yet can't properly define the classical definition of the trinity they claim to abhor as traditions of men.

No counting the number of steps one made on the sabbath was a tradition of men Jesus warned of. Filtering gnat's from drinking vessels traditions of men., failing to his observe the laws call for mercy were traditions of men.
The Triune God may embarrass some folks who avoid all the negative baggage associated with it. But the further we get away from the biblical ( inference ) of Gods relational nature.
Then we Christians will continue.to make a mockery of the love true disciples of Jesus are supposed to reflect.
God bless you all

Bob Smith

29/3/2023 05:18:40

You are very ignorant then my friend because scripture makes it clear that belief in Jesus as God is a requirement for salvation or else you go to hell:

Romans 10:9
because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Don't be decieved by assuming "Lord" merely refers to Jesus having dominion over all. The greek word used here is "Kyrious" which is the same name used in place of the God's name in the Greek septuagint. Paul is equating him to Yaweh as verse 13 makes clear:

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Romans 10:13 ESV

He's quoting from Joel 2:32 which is about Yaweh, so in other words you must confess that Jesus is Lord to be saved, those who call on the name of Yaweh, who is Lord and God, will be saved, so Q.E.D. you must proclaim Jesus is God to be saved.

Oh and Paul makes it unequivocally clear that Jesus is God in Romans 9:5

To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Romans 9:5 ESV

I know you mean well, but you are doing damage to the body of Christ and leading people to hell by spreading false information. Please repent of this

1/8/2023 19:21:19

Amen, to be a Christian and saved you have to believe Jesus is God!

1/8/2023 19:19:59

Jesus = God

Azlin

5/10/2023 11:31:30

God = Jesus = Holy Ghost; He IS ONE

Jeff Burroughs link

12/6/2021 21:03:44

I am goin thru situation now I've been a beleiver in Jesus as savior for 20 years or so but was always shown how God reveals himself as trinity but almost 2 years ago I was homeless I met a guy who said he was Christian and I told him I was believe r but he asked me if I ever was baptized I said yes a couple times he asked under what name I told him father son holy spirit but he explained acts 2 38 formula invited me to a bible study at a pentecostals church in jonesboro I went he eventually helps me off street I was rebaptized in Jesus name but introduced me to the oneness doctrine never heard it till then I've been goin for long while I started sharing gospel videos from there but I could never come to truly accept that oneness doctrine I've had lots convicted when I started sharing messages there I see both sides oneness but I also see trinity view my freind try in convince me it's only oneness but I still see in many verses both sides but I see more verses that support triune view than the other one I told my freind it's not opinion im look in for truth and I know only truth sets us free I beleive 100 percent Jesus is God manifested in flesh as son of God I accepted his salvation but now I'm struggling try in accept this oneness doctrine maybe u can help me in this area cause it's been troubling me

Jillian

18/3/2023 11:23:20

I believe the trinity is viewed how it is for humans to understand it ... I was trinitarian, but always felt they were one...until I found an Apostolic Church and they believe what I felt... Here's how I describe it... God the father is one you can look at as a father, he leads you, guides you, teaches you, tells you what to do, etc ... The son Jesus , came down in flesh ,self sacrificing, to show us he can be human like us, and still be holy, die for our sins , for us to understand his love and humbleness... Then the holy ghost is how we can physically feel him with us... So essentially it's like I am the father, I am the son made flesh and I am the holy ghost, feel me... It was made to be understood by humans ..cuz let's be honest...most humans aren't very bright... But we do comprehend we have a mother and father that teaches us, corrects us etc, we know what a son is , and being human, and we can feel spiritual wise... And know what "ghosts" are... So it lets us know hey you can feel me ...I'm like what you know a ghost is ... Even if you can't see me... So it's broken down to the simplest terms for all humans to comprehend... But here's an idea for you to think of... If God says thou shalt not have no other gods before me....do you really think there would be 3 separate distinct gods? ...no because that would be contradictory...he wouldn't want us worshipping 3 separate beings ...he is one ...

Cameron

10/11/2021 18:28:04

WOW! I was a baptist who believed in the trinity as well. I was always taught to avoid pentecostals because they had bad theology. I was excelling in my gifts and in my doctrine to the point that I was preaching every friday night to the youth at the bapstist church. I was also a guest speaker at many events. I preached my first sermon when I was 19 years old to the whole congregation one sunday morning in the baptist church because of my knowledge of the word. But I looked in depth to this Oneness doctrine and a light went off. It is like the more I learn the crazier I become about God. I study doctrine and read the word every single day no joke. So at 21 years old me and my wife both got re-baptized in Jesus name and we both have the Holy Ghost speaking in other tongues. I am going through a battle right now that gets very discouraging. Every pastor or brother I ever built a relationship with in the trinitarian community is challenging me and trying to re convert me and debunk the doctrine. I am standing tall and only letting the word of God speak for itself. They can not answer many things I present. Just like you I find it harder to debate Oneness than I do to debate trinity. God bless you and thank you for your testimony!!!

Felicia Johnson

21/1/2022 19:43:21

Hi Sister,

Came across your website today, very insightful. Same here. I was a staunch Trinitarian, and would argue anyone down who spoke otherwise, but over time the Lord begin to open my eyes and reveal His true nature to me. God bless you!

Ryan Poole

8/4/2022 02:38:48

Hello my name is Ryan Poole I Was a trinity for a long time I left the churchs to be with Jews an was in the process of conversion to join the Jewish community the jews belive in one G-d Deut 6:4 I prayed long and hard in tears wondering were should I go and christ led me to a apostolic oneness pentecostal church. What I love is I'm no longer starving emotionally and spiritually I'm closer to christ then I ever was in my life I found your article because it's been breaking my heart to see how much church gate us the trinity is not even A salvation issue I dont understand it may the Lord bless you

Amanda Bernard

2/5/2022 00:51:48

Just simply powerful. I am an apostolic and trust me when i say this has been a huge stumbling block for many people. I always encourage those struggling to Read the Word of God prayerfully. Jesus is not far from us and if we seek him diligently he will reveal himself.

Armando

3/6/2022 18:24:44

One question.
When Jesus prays to the father. Who exactly is he praying to?
To himself?
When he says, Father forgive them they don't know what they are doing. Or when he prays in John 17.
Just wondering.

Cathy Snedegar

22/8/2022 23:49:58

I am another person who was trinitarian, until 1999, when the Spirit of God ripped that out of me and I immediately understood the basics of oneness. Of course I studied it also. I am totally convinced of its truth in explaining who God is. This is a great discussion on the subject.

Jacqueline Torres

16/9/2022 09:51:27

Matthew 28:18-20
New International Version
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.(A) 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations,(B) baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,(C) 20 and teaching(D) them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you(E) always, to the very end of the age.”

16/9/2022 13:31:32

What is the name? God's name is Jesus. He is the fullness of the deity in bodily form. (Colossians 2:9. John 5:43, John 14:7, 26). We baptize in the name of Jesus because that is obeying this command in Matthew 28:19 as demonstrated each time the disciples baptized someone (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:12-17, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 19:1-7).

Isaiah

13/3/2023 22:53:34

John 1:1-2 Explicitly said that the Word was with God eternally.

Theo

23/1/2023 16:00:50

Wrong interpretion of verse and ideology, the gospel you are preaching here is not Biblical. Pray God should open your mind to understand Trinity
John 20:17
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to
the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”[ESV]

Jeanie Williams link

10/2/2023 23:43:37

So, who died on the cross: the Father or the Son? Who's wrath was poured out on whom: Jesus the Father or Jesus the Son? This is one fallacy of the Oneness dogma doctrine of the Oneness Apostolic teachings. Further more, really educate your readers about the convoluted view of Jesus being the "flesh suit" that the Father was in. That's another fallacy of Oneness teaching. Scripture doesn't say Oneness Pentecostalism either so this point is mute when it was mentioned that the bible doesn't mention Trinitarianism.Both Oneness Pentecostals & Trinitarians have doctrinal problems. The whole entire Westernized American Christianity w/its thousand upon thousands of denominations is nothing more than the traditions of men & babbel (confusion).

Allison

18/2/2023 01:07:07

I love this discussion:) I was born again in 2018… Gods will not mine- saved from the occult new age world

I see so much bickering and in-fighting amongst Christians- it is terrible. I just read the book “live not by lies” and it speaks of how during persecution of the church denominational disagreements go to the wayside- they become irrelevant

I believe oneness and trinitarians are saying the same thing. Basically- Gods ways are higher than ours… I love reformed Baptist theology (postmil) and I nerd out on the Bible.

I recently listened to James whites Trinity book- when people ask “how can god the father be baptizing the son with the holy spirot descending as a dove?” Is he putting on a mask? A mode?

God can do anything… he can be in 10000000 forms and10000000 places at once he’s God! He could be demonstrating love and obedience to us in a human way we understand- it’s not far fetched to say God can’t be in a million different forms at once.

But from the human perspective we see these three roles displayed in the Bible all at once (like in Jesus baptism) and our human brains must define, categorize and understand. We need neat little boxes. Rather than eating an Orange we isolate vitamin c… then focus on vitamin c. I believe mankind does the vitamin c thing with God

If you believe Jesus is God- and he died and rose again and you are saved by grace through faith… then the rest is important and fun to ponder- but not salvific

I get frustrated when Christian trinitarians say oneness folks are heretics and not saved… the Bible doesn’t say that. Please Jesus- if I’m deceived in my understanding of trinity or oneness please forgive me…

Both trinitarians and oneness believe the core truths of Jesus. They both believe in Jesus.

Can’t it be both and? When I was finishing my masters in theology I had to build a bridge between Arminianism and calvinism- my born again experience was Calvinistic 100% but I also believe Arminianism is biblical and can be argued. Both and… same here.

I see the trinity perspective and the oneness perspective- I was trying to tell my oneness friend he sounded like a trinitarian… he did-

I’m gonna say both and… both the trinitarian and oneness are confessing the deity of christ and believe salvation is only in Jesus…

I feel like I’m 51% oneness 49% trinitarian and other days 51% trinitarian-

Honestly though- had I not been taught the trinity I would prolly not come up with it in its complexity on my own- just like I don’t believe I’d read the pretrib rapture theology with out hardcore indoctrination on my own… the Bible says nothing of the sorts of the dispensational pretrib eschatological perspective - that’s some hardcore gymnastics-

Jesus is God… he is God incarnate- on earth… there is one God… oneness and trinitarians agree. JW’s don’t believe Jesus is God. Mormons believe he is God… but he is one of a million of the gods… but the God of this world.

I pray that those who call on the name of Jesus- confess with their mouth that He is God, and believe in their heart- I pray those folks are saved… even if they are LDS or JW- I pray they are saved…

Humility - humbleness- these attributes are so important in all we do. God resists the proud. I hold theological side points with a loose hand- many Jews in the first century missed Jesus because they were ridgid and attached to the idea of a military leader vs a suffering servant.

Love this post and all the comments!

Isabella Flores

3/3/2023 22:19:10

I was Catholic, so trinitarian. Then i became Christian and went to a trinitarian congregation. When i discovered a oneness pentecostal church, i could not believe how God could speak to me through the sermons that way and how seeking the Holy Spirit was the most important thing in our walk with God. I was baptized in Jesus name and saw the power behind calling on the name of Jesus. I left that church, however, because of the oneness pentecostal external holiness standards. They are not biblical. And after so much preaching on it (by the pastor) and studying the truth behind those standards (by me), it makes me question the oneness theology. I could use some help in that regard. Thank you.

7/3/2023 19:06:16

Hey, Isabella. I'm sorry to hear your pastor was so extreme on it. Standards have always been an obstacle for me as well. Too be honest, they are never preached in my area. My church is welcoming of people who do not follow the traditional standards. I hope you can find an Apostolic church in your area that is welcoming too. No one should be turned away for differing on such matters that are largely personal conviction anyway. Don't give up on the core doctrines because of the extremism. I promise not all Apostolic churches are like that.

Henry

28/3/2023 00:20:33

My mother is apostolic Pentecostal. She believes if I wasn’t baptized in Jesus name I’m not saved, also that if I don’t have evidence of speaking in tongues I’m not saved, and also says that Apostolic Pentecostals are the only ones with the truth and only ones going to heaven. That is absolutely absurd. She also believes there is only one. So explain 1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one (case closed!!!). Apostolic Pentecostals that believe this are spreading false doctrine. I’m a Christian, I believe in Jesus and I believe that’s what matters!

glenna

18/5/2023 12:54:30

The word Omnipresent is not in the Word either, but we know God is. Trinity, means the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, the three in one. They make up the God Head. PS 110:1 "The Lord said unto m Lord Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thing enemies thy foot stool." Jesus quoted this in the NT. He was saying God said unto Jesus because Jesus is the one who sits on the right hand of the Father. The Son, Jesus, after God has puts His enemies under under His footstool, the Bible says, then Jesus will turn all things back over to the Father. 1st Corinthians 15. starting in vs 24. "Then cometh the end, when He shall have delivered p the kingdom to God, even the Father, when He shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25. For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet. 28. And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, the shall the Son aslo himself be subject unto Him that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. And also why did David say in PS. And the Lord said unto my Lord. This means God said unto Jesus. It's also in the NT., when Jesus was responding to the Religious leaders.

I am just now in a oneness church trying to learn how they believe. I'm not there as far as understanding completely, but I'm learning and trying to understand the oneness doctrine. "Jesus said, the works I do are not mine, but they are of the Father." He can't be speaking to himself.

18/5/2023 19:25:28

Check out the title of Psalm 139. It mentions the omnipresence and omniscience of God. Oh how much i love the Lord!

I grew up Catholic, then went to a Trinitarian Christian church, but got baptized in a oneness church. I'm still trying to find the right church because I believe in the oneness of God, but not the man made holiness standards.

I'm replying because I do believe that it is wrong to think about God as 3 persons. God is one. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:9. Rather than thinking of God as 3 people, it is more spiritual to think of Jesus as having a dual nature: Jesus as God and Jesus as man (the son of God).

I have loved going through the gospels and understanding when Jesus speaks as God and when he speaks as a human. If anything there is a duality. God is Spirit (John 4:24), and obviously the Holy Spirit. But Jesus is also the Holy Spirit (there is only one Holy Spirit), He is our comforter! "for I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayers and the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ," Philippians 1:19. And "Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” Galatians 4:6. There are many more scriptures like this. It would be idolatrous to think that we have the Holy Spirit and Jesus' Spirit, they are one. Praise the Lord 🙌

If we really get in the word to gain God's wisdom on His Holy Spirit, we find that God is one. We, the church, are married to one God, Jesus is the church's husband. Imagined being married to a father, a son, and a spirit? That's incest, or something sinful. Jesus is God in the flesh. Jesus is God's name. We heal, cast out demons, and pray in the POWERFUL name of Jesus! The father, the son, and the Holy Spirit are not persons. They are the way that man relates to God. He's our celestial father, he's our brotherly friend, and he's the Holy Spirit that dwells in us and is outpoured over his believers!

Oh how i love God! I love His name Jesus! Thank you Lord that your church is married to the only true and living God, Jesus Christ, amen!

Allen brown

19/6/2023 16:31:10

I understand that you are now a Jesus only. Well I just want to tell you that I use to be a Jesus only but I don't go around starting fight or argument about Matthew 28:19. Really it's ungodly and stupid to argue over that. I discovered that most Penecostal pastors teach a false gospel of works and dont understand God's grace. Romans and Galatians Paul teaches us the true gospel. Its not a feeling or emotional experience it is simply faith believing God's testimony of Christ Jesus..

John Whick

29/6/2023 13:40:06

The Hindu Trimurti IS NOT A TRINITY. Its. One God [Brahman] that manifest himself in 3 ways[modes] : Brahma the creator, Vishnu the redeemer, and Shiva the destroyer.

Brahma, vishnu, and shiva are 3 modes of the One Brahman [Spirit]

Hindus also believe in the elohim of scriptures and are free to worship whatever elohim.

In the bible elohim are other gods.
Not God almighty.

The Pentecostal split of trinity and oneness was a hagelian dialectic. Both trinity Pentecostals and Modalist Pentecostals ARE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY.

Pentecostalism: Created by Freemason Charles Parham who planted his doctrinal seed.

All Pentecostals are of the same Seed, roots, tree and fruits.

Fruits of Parham: claimed the be Prophet Elijah reincarnated, the parahamite murders,William Branham[oneness like Brahman], Jim Jones, EVERY CHARASMATIC MOVEMENT like the toronto blessing, kenneth Copeland, word of faith, New Apostolic Reformation, the list goes on.
Without parham[AND freemasons]: these "movements" wouldnt exist.

God tells us that No good tree bears bad fruit.
No bad tree bears good fruit.

Besides both Trinity and Modalist Pentecostals all dance around the Roman Sun God Times and days along with the Roman Catholics, Baptists, Lutherns, etc.

All I know is that there is ONE GOD who is Father [YWHW, Yahweh/Yahuah which is His name that remains FOREVER according to scripture] that sent His Son: Yeshua [which means Yahuah/Yaweh is salvation].

Yeshua [Jesus] and the Apostles only ever preached OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES [The new hadn't been written yet for 100 years] EVERY SABBATH DAY.

Rome hid the Father, and by murderous force removed all Jewishness from the faith of Christian's.
The protestants [who are the Children of Rome] denied some aspects of Roman doctrine but KEPT MANY SUN GOD WORSHIP traditions THAT ARE NOT NOT FROM GOD/Scripture [Except it's a sin to follow the ways of the pagans and copy their traditions]

Aye W.

26/7/2023 13:52:53

Hello everyone! I’m loving the discussions taking place here. I didn’t see these verses mentioned so I wanted to share. It speaks to God being 3 in 1.

“This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Mike link

2/10/2023 20:55:13

Jesus was given to have "life in himself" by the Father so he cant be the same being as his father, if thats what you believe. Also "one God" does not mean one being. The Hebrew word for God in the old testament is plural. There are more than one being on the divine plane level of life (deity). Both the father and son are God (the functionality is as one God). Compared to the multiple pagan gods who were always warring against each other, the Father and Son are one, that is, they are in harmony and have the same goal, direction and purpose, with regards to the plan of redemption for mankind.

Russ

16/10/2023 14:03:58

Just about all the Scriptures cite in the article seem to affirm that God is one essence and three persons. How can Jesus pray to the Father if He is the Father? How can the Father's voice be heard from heaven if He is "Jesus" on earth? How can Jesus go, saying that He will send the Holy Spirit? The problem here is that we as finite humans cannot understand an infinite and holy God. To say that the concept of the Trinity wasn't taught is a misnomer. It was a heated discussion from the time Jesus died until the 4th century, where is was decided at the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. and reaffirmed in the Council cited in the article. There is so much throughout Scripture that supports God as one essence and three persons. Just because we can't wrap our heads around it doesn't mean that we should twist Scripture to make it fit what we believe. Although oneness people can truly be saved, because it all depends on the grace of God, please remember that Jesus had a lot to say about how people viewed him and the Father. It is important to study to get it right. Not here to argue either, but if you do the research, you will see that the Bible does clearly teach a triune God. I encourage you to check it out on your own and not be subjected solely to others' teachings. They should welcome your research and questions, as long as they are genuine.

Mike

17/10/2023 09:02:35

I would recommend re-reading my statement above as you are not understanding what I'm saying. There is no such thing as a trinity or triune God taught in the Bible and the Father is not a third of a being and the son, Jesus is not a third of a being, which is what the trinity teaches. The Father is one complete individual being and Jesus is one complete individual being. 2nd Timothy 2:15 says, "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing (discerning) the word of truth." While it's true we cant understand the nature of God fully while we are still here on earth, he would not have given us his word if we were not meant to understand it. The Father is one divine being and the Son is one divine being and they are both on the divine/spirit nature plane of existence. - 1st John 5:20. (nkjv used for quotes)....Mike

Tracey McCoy

26/10/2023 00:36:25

So, I'm someone who wasn't raised in church but got the Holy Ghost in 2006 and was led to an Apostolic church where I was baptized in Jesus name. I fell out of church in 2011 and am returning this year, 2023. I have studied over the years and can honestly say I see both sides depending on which scripture I'm reading. I think it's splitting hairs and the devil uses this topic to cause division. I think when Trinitarians describe God, they are really saying the same thing and just using the word "persons" instead of "personalities" or "modes." It's the same thing just semantics. I also think we cannot describe an infinite God with our finite minds. People get defensive on this topic, and previously when in church, I would argue. But that is the enemy. Hands down. I did enjoy this post very much though. It reminded me why I am a Oneness Pentecostal.. be blessed!

Pamela Carter

15/11/2023 06:30:01

Yes Amen it is so. HE is ONE. How can that be impossible for God? Don't we as Christians declare that with God nothing is impossible.

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